What does it mean to be well-read? How can we choose which books are worth our time and which ones aren’t? Is it okay to give up on a book we’re not enjoying? Do audiobooks ‘count’ as reading?
On this episode of the podcast we’re tackling all of these questions and a lot more. Our guest is Andy Naselli, professor at Bethlehem College and Seminary and author of How to Read a Book: Advice for Christian Readers.
We’ll talk about the importance of reading in the Christian life, how we can overcome some bad reading habits, different ‘layers’ of reading, how to instill a love of books in our kids, and a lot more.
As always, I’ve taken the notes for you at ReasonableTheology.org, where you can find additional information and links to the resources we talk about. So let’s kick things off with Andy Naselli as we discuss How to Read a Book.
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Meet Our Guest

Andy Naselli is a professor of systematic theology and New Testament at Bethlehem College and seminary in Minneapolis and one of the pastors of The North Church in Mounds View, Minnesota. He’s also an avid reader, an author, and has additional resources available at AndyNaselli.com.
Additional Resources
- Pick up a copy of How To Read A Book
- Visit AndyNaselli.com for additional resources
- The 5-Foot Bookshelf: 57 Great Books Every Christian Should Own
- 4 Simple Ways to Read More Books (Video)
- Resources for Reading Pilgrim’s Progress
- Pick up a copy of the Chronicles of Narnia (a favorite of Naselli’s)

How to Read a Book: Advice for Christian Readers
In a world where we are constantly bombarded with digital content, the art of reading seems to be slowly fading into the background. In this book, Andy Naselli encourages us to be more intentional in what books we read and how we read them. Whether you’ve fallen out of the habit of reading or if you’re already an avid reader, you’re sure to come away with helpful tips to improve your relationship with the written word.
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Clay Kraby: Doctor Naselli, thanks so much for joining me on the podcast.
Andy Naselli: My pleasure.
Clay Kraby: Now, to start things off, could you share a little bit about what your teaching ministry looks like?
Andy Naselli: Yeah. For the last eleven years, I have taught at Bethlehem College and Seminary in Minneapolis, Minnesota. That’s a school where John Piper is chancellor, and I am a professor of systematic theology and New Testament. I also get to teach ethics. I love it.
Clay Kraby: Wonderful. Minneapolis, not far from my neck of the woods here in Grand Forks. In the wintertime, we go to Minneapolis to get warm.
Andy Naselli: That’s not the right place to go.
Clay Kraby: You’ve got this new book out called How to Read a Book. So, you have a book about reading books. It’s a little bit like bookception. Can you tell me why you decided to write this?
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Andy Naselli: Yeah, my job is to teach people how to read. Not like kindergarteners’ ABCs, but how to teach adults to read with skill, and to read with increasing ability to understand what authors intend to communicate. I found that talking about reading is so interesting to people; it’s like no one ever talks about this part of it. They figure you can sound out words, so just go do it. I’ve found that students excel when you can train them to get better at reading. In my classes, I actually assign reading at three different levels. I’ll say something like, read this part really carefully—I call it micro reading. Read this a little less carefully but every word still—call it macro reading. And then spend at least X number of minutes with this dissertation or this book or this article. I’m training them along the way, and they’ve loved that. So, it’s not just a one-speed bike.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, actually, that sounds great. Having gone through seminary, at least, maybe it was a false assumption on my end, I assumed if it was assigned, they wanted me to know it front and back, read every word, read the whole thing. And they’re assigning hundreds of pages of reading for multiple classes in the same semester. You just feel overwhelmed. Maybe that’s not even what they intended. So, if there are any other seminary professors listening, please take note of that and let your students know if you just want them to kind of acquaint themselves with the book or if you need them to go deep into the book. That would be extremely helpful. I’m sure they appreciate that a lot.
Andy Naselli: Yeah. And for people who don’t enjoy reading with their eyes or the idea of reading a book on how to read a book sounds just horrible, I also recorded an audiobook version that’s short, maybe four or five hours, and you can listen to it while you’re driving or doing whatever. That might be a helpful spur to try more audiobooks or maybe get into books again.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, absolutely. Some people might be familiar with another book of the same title, How to Read a Book by Mortimer Adler. It’s older, pretty thick. I’ve got it on my shelf. Have I read it? No, but I own it. How does yours differ from that? How does it maybe complement that book? How does it expand upon that book?
Andy Naselli: Yeah, I don’t see mine as replacing his. His is over 400 pages. It just covers in more detail areas that mine does not. But mine’s different in several important ways. One is mine’s written by a Christian, and Mortimer Adler was a pagan. That’s how he described himself when he wrote his book. I wrote my book specifically for fellow Christians. So my whole mindset’s different than Adler’s as he’s writing. Another is that my book is broader in scope than Adler’s. A big way is that he is focused on writing to get information, and I think that’s good, but there’s more to reading than just acquiring information. One of the most enjoyable parts about reading is that it’s a delight, it’s fun, and that includes reading fiction and other kinds of non-serious books that Adler wouldn’t deal with. Also, I write more accessibly. Adler is very much a kind of stuffy professor as he’s writing, which isn’t bad, but I’m a little more accessible. I’m more concise for sure. His is so long and I’m more personal, so I use more anecdotes and I think more relevant. His book came out first in 1940 and then a second edition in 1972. I mean, that’s over 50 years ago. The update, the iPhone didn’t come out until 2007. I mean, our whole way of taking in books and audiobooks and just reading in general has been revolutionized since the advent of smartphones.
Clay Kraby: Yeah.
Andy Naselli: So I try to address that as well.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, it kind of makes me think of Neil Postman’s Amusing Ourselves to Death. It’s a classic book about all the distractions of life, but that was written when he’s like, oh, there’s a lot of radio out there. The radio can really distract you. I mean, so far before what exponentially is social media everywhere, digital, always-on technology, that sort of thing. So, kind of in that same line, super helpful, maybe a bit dated from a context perspective that you can move kind of that conversation forward in our own context.
So in your own classes, you mentioned that you teach people how to read, and you’re talking about this post-bachelor’s degree, right? So these are adults, they’re into their master’s level programs, and you really see your job in many respects as teaching them how to read a book.
Andy Naselli: Well, I teach them how to exegete the Bible primarily, and that means you’re reading other works that help you do that. So whether you’re reading the Bible or a book about the Bible or whatever, if you don’t have the skill set to accurately assess what did this author intend to communicate, you’re going to make a mess of things. You’re not going to do as well. So I try to train students.
Clay Kraby: To do that well, and no doubt probably untrain some bad habits. What are some bad habits that people can get into when it comes to reading?
Andy Naselli: Oh, there are so many. I just started working on a new book called Exegetical Fallacies. So D.A. Carson is my mentor, and he wrote this and it came out in 1984, second edition in 1996, and I just agreed to do a co-authored third edition. So I’m revising the whole thing. I just started on it this week and there are just dozens and dozens of fallacies. A fallacy is just a misguided belief based on unsound reasoning, and exegesis is basically careful reading. So biblical exegesis is carefully reading the Bible. So an exegetical fallacy is when you’re wrongly reading text, especially the Bible. And you can do this with grammar, logic, history, theology. There are so many ways to bring in unsound opinions, speculations, assumptions, and then kind of baptize them into, well, spiritual things are spiritually discerned or the Holy Spirit told me, or I’m just sure I’m right. And we want better than that. We want to be able to support our interpretations with sound arguments to show sound reasons that our beliefs are reasonable and right.
Clay Kraby: Yeah. And I think the general opinion of our culture today is people don’t read. Is that fair? Would you agree with that? I mean, obviously an oversimplification, it’s a generalization. But would you agree that in our day and age, people really aren’t readers?
Andy Naselli: Well, they’re reading different mediums, so they read a lot of text messages and a lot of social media posts. They’re not reading as many books. And if they are, they’re not reading them for sustained periods of time.
Clay Kraby: Yeah.
Andy Naselli: I just read a book by Jonathan Haidt called The Anxious Generation, and it’s frightening what’s happened to youth since the advent of the smartphone.
Clay Kraby: Absolutely. So that’s a good point, though, is they might be reading lots of words in a day. I mean, you just think of how we’re bombarded with advertising or, as you said, text messages or people scrolling Facebook or reading the news. I mean, we’re reading, but maybe not intentionally reading. And you’re not making a point of like an eBook or print book necessarily. But they’re not intentionally taking up a text in order to read, understand, and appreciate it.
Andy Naselli: Yeah. When I was, I’m in my mid-forties now, so I’m not that old, but when I was writing my dissertation, I lived in a small apartment that had no Internet access. And I would work all day long in that apartment and I’d read books, print books, cover to cover, and articles, and I would just be focused for, you know, 10 hours straight. At the end of the day, I’d break, have dinner with my wife, and then I might go to a library and check email or something like that. But today, if I’m doing serious reading, if I get to the end of a section or a chapter, I’m tempted to take a short break and check my email and refresh Twitter. I’m ashamed to say that I’ve become intellectually more flabby than I used to be because of the changing technologies and distractions that I haven’t fought off as successfully.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, I’m right there with you. I recognize that in myself. As much as I understand that it’s an issue out there in general and that people ought not do that. I do the exact same thing. I have to think and fail, probably most days, to not pick up my phone first thing when I wake up in the morning or when I come to a hard part of the book, take a mental break and just scroll some cotton candy type social media stuff. It’s really easy to get into that. And that’s probably one of the habits that was maybe unique to us, is that we’ve got these little dopamine machines and these glowing rectangles that we can constantly turn to when our brains get a little bit bored or we’re encountering something maybe a little bit.
Andy Naselli: More difficult and worse is notifications. So I turn off all notifications on my computer and other devices. If I want to have a serious reading session or a serious time to think or write a sermon or whatever, something that’s serious, I need sustained time. I need to treat that like an appointment. Like right now, you and I are talking, and I have not checked my email or my tweets or my text messages in this conversation thus far. And that’s normal. Why can’t we do that in other areas? We have self-control because we’re looking at each other, even though it’s not in person. I’m saying we need that kind of self-control, self-discipline when we’re trying to do serious reading.
Clay Kraby: Yeah. And it is a discipline. I mean, reading is not a natural thing. We have to learn it. We have to get better at it, and we have to really give it attention. And maybe we can say now more than ever, it takes a lot of discipline. It probably always has. Now there’s lots of people that you can talk to, and they’ll say, oh, I wish I had more time to read, or, oh, I wish I could read this book. There’s probably also some people that really don’t care that much. Could you make the case for what is lost when we don’t read? When we’re not reading books, what are we losing out on?
Andy Naselli: Yeah, well, someone like that. I’m not insisting that every Christian out there needs to read like I read. I’m a research professor. It’s my job. It’s my hobby. I don’t expect that for, you know, a mom with three young kids or for a guy who’s a construction worker and he’s working twelve-hour days. I’m not expecting everyone to be like me here. But I do think everyone, at minimum, who’s a Christian, needs to be reading the Bible. That’s our daily food. We need that. That’s the most important reading of all. And anything beyond that is just helpful and enjoyable. So someone who doesn’t read, I think, is missing out on all sorts of joys and benefits that he may be unaware of. It’s kind of like C.S. Lewis talked about a little child who lives in a city slum and loves playing in mud puddles and has no idea what a vacation to a seaside would be like. They’re like, I’m happy right here. Why would I want to go? Go to what? They just don’t even know what they’re missing. And once you understand how many options there are for good reading experiences, it’s a whole new world where you’re far off places, other times, fictional and non-fictional, learning from the best thinkers in the history of the world who’ve written things down and being able to join a conversation with others. Becoming a literary person makes you so much more interesting as you talk to others. My wife and I actually see people sometimes through the eyes of characters in Dickens novels or, you know, whatever.
Clay Kraby: Well, it expands your world. I mean, you get to kind of live vicariously through Dickens or, you know, Lord of the Rings characters, or whoever else. It expands and enriches your world in ways that I think we can safely say that movies don’t. That these other mediums that we have don’t.
Andy Naselli: Yeah. So, an example. There’s no fictional literature that has influenced me more than the seven books of the Chronicles of Narnia. I read them repeatedly as a child, and I haven’t stopped. I don’t know how to calculate how many times I’ve read it. It’s probably forties or fifties or sixties. I don’t know. And my kids are the same, and they’ve been. So, if one of my four daughters, if one of them is being a little bit sulky, I can just say something like, hey, you don’t want to be a wet blanket like Eustace, do you? And that snaps them out of it. Like, oh, no, I don’t want to be like Eustace. Because if you don’t know who Eustace is, and see, we don’t have the connection. But if you’ve read the story of Eustace in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and you know his story, that comment being like Eustace is repulsive. And if you can see that in yourself, that jolts you. In my book, I actually list out 20 such lessons I’ve learned from the Chronicles of Narnia in that regard. That’s just one of them.
Clay Kraby: Yeah. Well, and of course, Eustace famously is a boy who read all the wrong books.
Andy Naselli: Yeah.
Clay Kraby: And meanwhile, we want to be well-read. What does it mean to be well-read and read the right books?
Andy Naselli: Well, it starts with the Bible. I don’t want to be legalistic here and suggest that to be a good person, you have to read all these things. But I think to be a well-rounded person and a literary person, a person with a big view of God and his world, means that you enter the conversation of great western literature, and some includes great fiction. So that’s why my kids, as they get into junior high and high school, they are in great books programs. That’s why my college, Bethlehem College, has a Great Books program.
Clay Kraby: Wonderful.
Andy Naselli: Where you’re reading Plato, Aristotle, Shakespeare, you’re not just reading what they do in schools today. It’s like Taylor Swift studies or whatever. That will last for three minutes and be gone. So we want to join the conversation that’s gone on for millennia. That’s what’s going to endure and focus on the best stuff.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, absolutely. Because there’s thousands upon thousands of wonderful books out there. Obviously, we can’t read them all, but there are titles that have withstood the test of time and that have benefited humanity for generations. We ought not deprive ourselves of those. As we’re thinking through how do I go about picking those books, you mentioned the great books. Can you elaborate on that a little bit? How can a Christian decide what’s worthwhile to read? We can’t read them all.
Andy Naselli: Yeah. I would approach this similar to how you choose the right foods to eat. Some of it is just staple what you need to survive and some of it’s what’s available. What are you interested in? What do you most enjoy? So, for my children, my wife and I have tried to cultivate a desire to read the Bible mainly, and then also to read really good stories. We love good stories. And there’s so many good stories out there to read, stories that help you understand human characters better, understand God’s world better, past, present, and then also read books that are helping you better understand God’s world. So it could be understanding geography and history and animals. God’s world is amazing. So books that help you enlarge your vision of God’s world and God himself ultimately are the ones that are most helpful.
Clay Kraby: Now, you already mentioned it at the outside of the conversation. One of the things you go over in the book is these layers of reading. Could you go into that in a little bit more detail?
Andy Naselli: Yeah. So most people, when they think about reading a book, they think that means you read every word carefully, slowly, such that you could be quizzed on it and you would know what’s in the book. So you really mastered the content, and that is a good way to read the best books. We want to read some books that way, but we can’t read every book that way, especially if you want to read widely. So I’m a research professor, which means I’m supposed to be reading a lot and widely, which means sometimes I’ll give a book all of 30 seconds. So if I go through it super fast, I’d call that surveying where I size up. Who’s the author? What’s the book about? What’s its argument? Do an x-ray—what’s its skeletal structure? Who’s recommending this book? Are they people that are trustworthy? You can size up a book really quickly, and I do that for lots of books daily and then in between. So you could survey in 30 seconds. You can survey for ten minutes or an hour in between. There is what I call macro reading, which is like listening to an audiobook. You’re reading every word, but you’re not stopping along the way. You’re moving at a clip. The micro reading could be a combination of micro reading and macro reading. It’s kind of like if you’re driving down the highway, you’re going 60 miles an hour and the traffic gets a little thicker, and you’re down to 40, maybe down to 20, might be rolling down to three or two, then back up to 60. Reading can be like that as well. But just having those categories in your head can be freeing because you might be reading a book and think, this book is really boring right here, really badly written. But I paid $10 for this book. I got to read every word, and I have to finish this book before I move on to the next one. And I’ve just given this gift to so many people: free your wrongly informed conscience. You do not have to finish every book you read, and you do not have to read every word of every book you read. It’s just not necessary. Life’s too short to waste it on bad books.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, I learned that lesson years ago, is I finally let myself not finish a book. And yeah, it is freeing. It’s like this weight that you’ve been carrying for no reason. It’s like, oh, I can just stop. And nothing bad happened.
Andy Naselli: That’s good.
Clay Kraby: Yeah. So when you’re surveying, are you doing that to decide whether it’s worthwhile to macro or micro read? Why are you surveying?
Andy Naselli: Many reasons. One of them is kind of like what you might do when you’re on Amazon and you look at the look inside feature. You’re thinking, what is this book about? Do I want to invest resources, time, and money into this book or not? So it could be you’re just trying to size it up. Another reason is you are trying to figure out if this is a tool that you’ll want to use later. So maybe you’re writing a book or an article or preparing a sermon series or whatever, and you’re trying to figure out, is this a book I want to come back to? So you look it over and think, oh, this is definitely what I want to come back to. And then you put that tool in your tool shed or somewhere where you can access it. Another reason is you might try to figure out, is this a book that I should be concerned about that could wrongly or badly influence people I’m trying to shepherd? Is it something I need to be aware of? Or is this something that I would enjoy reading on vacation? Or is this something I’d enjoy reading for? There are all kinds of reasons to survey. You’re basically doing intel. It’s just kind of scoping out what is this thing about so that you can then make the next steps of the decisions of how you might use it in the future.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, really helpful. We’ve mentioned audiobooks already. I love audiobooks. I listen to audiobooks all the time. Mowing the lawn, driving somewhere. How do you recommend people make use of audiobooks?
Andy Naselli: Yeah, there’s a section in my book, I think I give eleven reasons why audiobooks are beneficial. They’re awesome. Can you imagine what it would cost to hire a professional reader like Andy Serkis to read The Lord of the Rings to you at any volume and speed and time of day? What would that cost an hour? And yet, for a pittance, you can get a book that he’s completely read. He’s not just read it, he’s performed it. And you can take it everywhere you go. Like, this is amazing. So audiobooks are great to use. I’ll just go through the day. I wake up and I hit play on the Bible. The first thing I do is I take in the Bible as an audiobook. That’s the first part of my day. Then usually I’m working out, and then I’m listening to audiobooks after the Bible while I’m working out. Then, if I’m eating lunch alone, I’ve got earbuds in and I’m listening to audiobooks. Then, in the evenings before I fall asleep, when the lights are out, noisemaker’s on, I can put an earbud in and for the last 20 or 40 minutes, listen to an audiobook and then go to sleep. And without having to have a light on, so your body’s adjusting to the dark. And I can listen to it when I’m driving to work, driving back, if I’m doing anything alone, that’s with my hands, like washing dishes or yard work, whatever. The ability to have an audiobook, it’s just amazing. Can you imagine what John Calvin or Jonathan Edwards would have done with that? I think it was Edwards who would write notes while he’s on horseback and would pin them to himself. And he’d come home and have notes all over himself, pinned. Imagine him with our technology.
Clay Kraby: Yeah. No, I can’t. I mean, the output that these guys, the Puritans and whoever else had without the things we had really puts us to shame in more ways than one.
Andy Naselli: Libraries were so small, they were under 400 books, Calvin’s, and.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, and they had access to a few, depending on what era we’re talking about. So where do you come down on the debate about whether audiobooks count? Do they count as having read the book?
Andy Naselli: Yes, they do. But then we’re going to debate what counts as reading a book. I don’t keep track of how many books I read. It would be a very high number per year because I survey a lot of books, too. And I just. We’re not in a competition. This isn’t a game. So I don’t have an inflated number to give you. My mentor, Don Carson, used to say I read about 500 books a year, and that would blow people’s minds. How’s that even possible? Well, he’s including surveying in there. My wife reads books aloud to our kids. She reads the Bible in the morning after lunch. She doesn’t read aloud in the evening, I read to them. And in the evening, they listen to audiobooks. They’re constantly being read to. Yes, that counts as reading. Look at the people in the Bible who were or were not literate, and they would have the Bible read to them. That counts as reading. So is it the most careful reading possible? No. But is it valuable? Yes. And there’s something to how we’ve lost the oral nature of our culture where we are now so visual. Oral cultures had memories that were astounding, and there’s something we’ve lost by not taking in books audibly as well. So I think there’s much to gain from listening to books.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, I agree completely. And at least for myself, I’ve found that they’re most useful for history, biography, fiction. I don’t use them as much for a theological work where I feel like I’m going to want to back up, reread that, highlight something, underline something. So I personally don’t use them that way. But aside from that, I’m using audiobooks all the time.
Andy Naselli: Yeah, I agree. If I’m going to read a history book or a biography or a fiction book, I want to give my eyes a break because I’m using them constantly to read more heavy sledding. However, I have listened to books like Wayne Grudem’s Systematic Theology and John Frame’s Systematic Theology as audiobooks. And because those are written so accessibly, you can do it.
Clay Kraby: Sure. Yeah, no, that’s helpful too.
Andy Naselli: I can’t do a Jonathan Edwards book on Audible.
Clay Kraby: No, no. I’ve tried some Puritans, like, oh, I’ll never get a chance to read all these. And I just… You can’t do it. It’s really difficult to do, depending on who you pick up, if you’re in some John Owen book or something.
So you mentioned what you do at home, not dissimilar from what our house looks like. You know, reading the Bible during the day, read aloud in the afternoon as part of homeschool and whatnot. And then I’m typically in the evenings reading through some book. I mean, we just finished Charlotte’s Web. We’ve done The Hobbit, you know, different things like that. We’ve got different ages in the house. So is that the primary way that we can develop a love for reading in our kids?
Andy Naselli: Oh, yeah. I’ve got an appendix in the book that lists 22 ways to develop a love for reading in children. But it really just starts with mom and dad loving reading themselves and then just building it into the rhythm of the household. Since my kids were very the earliest stages, there are books everywhere, board books. We’re reading to them, going to the library, come back with, you know, 5000 books a week sometimes. It’s like Christmas every week, coming back from the library. The read-alouds are great. We’re talking about books, we’re buying books, we’re accumulating personal libraries. To be a Naselli means you’re a reader. So that’s. Our girls are all in.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, no, that’s great. And I rejoice to see, you know, my son, he usually has a book with him. If we’re going somewhere in the car, he thinks he’s going to have some downtime. It’s either a book or a notebook because he’s writing a book. So it’s great to see kids pick up on that stuff. And they do. They pick up on what their parents demonstrate as important and worthwhile, and they want to do the same.
Andy Naselli: And this goes without saying, but I’ll say it. If your kids have smartphones, this is probably not going to happen. So thus far, my oldest is a junior in high school. Still no smartphone. You can do this. They don’t need them.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, you will get no argument here. I am going to delay that for as long as humanly possible. And guess what? It’s possible a lot longer than people think. Yeah, absolutely.
So in the appendix, you give several appendices. A lot of lists, which I find helpful, one of which is 40 of your favorite books. I’m not going to ask you to give all 40. Can you pick two or three that you highly recommend? You really need to read this book.
Andy Naselli: John Bunyan’s The Pilgrim’s Progress I put right up there. Obviously, the Bible is first. But after that, I’d go to Pilgrim’s Progress. It used to be the second to the Bible, the best-selling book in English literature. You had a copy of the Bible and Pilgrim’s Progress. Spurgeon read that a hundred times. I’m probably in the fifties or sixties of it now. I want to keep reading it till I die. It’s so good. It’s the single best book on the Christian life, on progressive sanctification. It’s amazing. So, if you haven’t read that, read it. And there are a lot of good audiobooks of that and various versions of that. Another one I mentioned earlier, the Chronicles of Narnia, the seven books. They’re not just kids’ books, they are timeless, for all ages. And if you have kids, it’s a great delight to read them together and listen to them together. So highly recommend them. So there’s eight.
Clay Kraby: Yeah, that’s right.
Andy Naselli: Yeah.
Clay Kraby: You get the whole set in one. Yeah. There are some tremendous options out there. And again, these are things that depending on, you know, how many generations, but generations of Christians have benefited from these. Obviously, Pilgrim’s Progress a lot longer than Narnia, but nevertheless, these are things that we can enjoy ourselves and pass on to our kids and really get a lot out of. Well, this has been a great conversation. I really appreciate your love for books and how you try to instill that in the reader. Where can folks go to learn a little bit about you and your work and also pick up a copy of How to Read a Book?
Andy Naselli: Yeah. So, my name is Andy Naselli and I have a website, andynaselli.com. All the links are there. My books on Amazon from Canon Press. And soon it will be on Audible. Right now, you can stream it on Canon Plus, which is a streaming platform that Canon Press has, and you can get a free version of that for a bit.
Clay Kraby: Excellent. Well, we’ll be sure to link to all those in the show notes for this episode. I’ll link to where you can get a copy of the book, some of the books that we mentioned as recommendations as well. You can find that in the show notes reasonabletheology.org. Our guest has been Andy Naselli, and we’ve been talking about his book, How to Read a Book. Thanks so much for joining me on the podcast.
Andy Naselli: Thank you.