The Lasting Impact of Spurgeon’s Sermons | Ep. 84

Jared Payne: Yeah. So there’s going to be a thousand people who will be able to describe it better than me. but just to be simple with it, he’s the pastor that most everyone seems to know, at least by name. but he was, a British pastor, born in 1834, near Colchester in Essex. He was born in Kelvedon. And he died in 1892. And arguably had the most fruitful ministry of any pastor, in modern history. he’s so, often, referenced and quoted and misquoted and all sorts of great things. But, as an independent, nonconformist Baptist congregation, after he left his first church in Water beach, he was kind of recruited to London and wound up taking over at New Park Street, which was the same body of believers that Benjamin Keach, John Gill, John Rippen, that they all were pastors over. So, just a lot of great, you know, British Baptist history, to begin with. But, yeah, he was one of those figures where the lasting effects of his ministry and of his personality and his involvement in, Particularly England’s theological changes through the Victorian era, just probably couldn’t be seen very well by him. It’s just been so long lasting. And it’s grown in a lot of ways to almost mythological proportions at times. But, just a fascinating, fascinating, ah, preacher, historical figure, church figure. And, Yeah, I tell people a lot of times there’s almost no root, of the Spurgeon tree that doesn’t touch something, whatever it is you’re talking about. he was so well read, so well studied, both secular, and theological, that he would make comment. You often see quotes, that people will use about things. And a lot of times it’s not in context. That isn’t what he was talking about. But he was referring and dealing with so many different things that it’s almost easy picking to, pull a Spurgeon quote and have it kind of, reflect your opinion about something.

Clay Kraby: Right.

Jared Payne: So you almost need a dictionary and an encyclopedia just for Spurgeon. So that’s what makes it so fun, I think.

Clay Kraby: Yeah. Tons of great quotes. I remember somebody was saying, it’s as if Spurgeon, never had an unpublished thought. And one of the ways that he remains popular is through his published sermon. So obviously, as you said, he died quite a while ago in London, England. And yet, you can still access and benefit from. And, just really grow through what he preached so long ago in England. And, so many people, as we’ve already said, have, an affinity for Spurgeon. They’ve been helped by him. Why is it, do you think, that his sermons remain popular, remain helpful. Even though we’re pretty far removed both in time and place and culture and all of that?

Jared Payne: Well, I think there’s probably a handful of aspects. These are just kind of my take on some of it. I’m sure other people would have different aspects, regarding this. But I think that, especially in his day. And within a relative time period to his preaching. His preaching style even then was just so impactful because of his very illustrative direction that he took on a lot of his sermons. Was obviously the opposite of kind of the high churchy, frozen, chosen, so to speak. That existed a lot within England. And so he wanted to be able to resonate with everybody from the lower class, the pauper, the person who had very little. He did not want to just relate and offer something as kind of a service for these higher classes in England. Which at that time was an issue. But combined with his willingness to work through illustration and metaphor. And his study of so many aspects of everyday life. He was well known to have folks, like sailors, come in from maybe the docks and hear him preach and say, this guy knows more nautical terms than half the people that we’re around all the time. Why is it? And so he invested a lot of his time into study. And so I think from that aspect, he related so well with people in his day. And I don’t think that has changed. But then when we look more even at modern times, I think not only are you getting his illustrations, some of his wit, the force and kind of the magnitude of his speaking, but his wisdom and just biblical truth seeping out of every crack of his sermons. But nowadays you have so few people who even preach, even in more of that mode, which would have been more understandable then I think it is something that people kind of read almost from a literature standpoint. Because our sermons today, I guess it depends which churches you’re out of and what you’re used to. But our sermons today, if you just compare them, can be quite different. So I think people can kind of be enamored by reading some of his sermons a day and say that was a sermon that he was preaching off of a note card, which means most of his entire ministry, he wasn’t reading. I think in his early years, they’ve got some documented, writings where he tried to largely write that down. That was before he came to New Park Street. But really after that, he went back and said that having to revise his sermons for print, every week, was a huge boon to him as a minister, going back through and reading those things and kind of analyzing the doctrinal comments and things that he was making. but, yeah, there’s just so much to offer there that I think when people read it, it can kind of be taken a little bit aback. That, man, this is a sermon. This is one setting this guy’s going through and touching all these pieces. And so, if you’re in the expository kind of world today, we kind of think expository more people will kind of point that to being verse by verse every week and working your way straight through something. And, Spurgeon, I, think, believed that that was kind of expository and kind of not expositional, maybe, but expository in how he was going through verses. They would a lot of times read the entire chapter. Before that, he was preaching out of. And then he would go and kind of point into one verse. So, he was being expository. He was going through and tying in and bringing in a lot of points to give you the context and understand these things. But he just had just an ingenious mind about the way he would make connections with things. And there’s a lot of sermons that I haven’t read the most. There’s some folks, I think, who have read a lot of his sermons numerically. but even going through what I’ve gone through, you can start out and go, okay, yeah, I think he’ll probably go this direction with that sermon. And he goes somewhere that you go. In 100 years, I would not have just thought to go that way. with the verses he’s dealing with. So, yeah, I think it’s a lot of different aspects that he brings to the table. But, yeah, you’re going to get a very complete sermon. And you’re going to get historical references. You’re going to get names. You’re going to get, sometimes references to other material that will point you to other good reading that he just mentions kind of offhand through his sermons. and for those who are probably more intentional, I think kind of just even looking at his sermons a little bit more broadly as an outline, I think for just personally, and I’m no authority here, but for even younger pastors, or just pastors who have been in ministry, I think it, can be very edifying to kind of look and see how he outlined largely his sermons and how he went about it. And there’s always those elements of scripture that sometimes we maybe don’t spiritualize enough, don’t kind of ponder maybe kind of more of the spiritual elements. Sometimes we can. And that’s not to say that that’s wrong what we’re doing, but Spurgeon would go out on some limbs that I think he justified in his preaching, but he would go out and just really give you some things to think about that, you know, never have heard anybody go, discuss some of the things in his sermon. So, Yeah, I don’t know, I think you might have to ask the different individual people what they get from it. I tend to get, ah, just a lot of different things as I’m going through the sermons, and recording. So I’m just going, man, what doesn’t he offer sometimes? Right? Yeah.

Clay Kraby: And I think so much of what I appreciate from his sermons is how much of his heart comes through. He’s never one to shy away from a difficult doctrine or a hard truth. but he’s not running around with a sledgehammer and just smashing people in the forehead with it. just the love he has for Christ comes through. He stirs that up in you as you read through his sermons. I think his heart is something that people really appreciate about reading his sermons. I mean, there’s lots of sermons that you can read, know, I got a lot of good facts, I got a lot of good information tied in a lot of things. but his just really doesn’t lack at all in just the affection for what he is preaching about.

Jared Payne: No, I think that’s definitely true. You see, pretty quick, where his intentions are in his sermons. He will, a lot of times make it pretty clear if he’s talking to the saints or if he’s talking to sinners broadly. And then early on in his ministry, you see him talk about how, especially if you read it in the sermons where he mentions it, which is very early on, like in 1855 in the printed sermons. But you’ll see that continued where, he was very intent about divide, divide, right? Get to the end of the sermon and divide the sheep from the goats and push on the people to be convicted. He had no problem saying, there’s some of you here who are not believers, who are not elect, who won’t have a desire. You’re here, to listen to me out of curiosity, right? And he knew the way that it was. Especially it took no time for his ministry to balloon. And that was really, when you think of in the day and age of, social media and all these things now go back to the 1850s and think, what is he doing to bolster up nothing. Word of mouth, right? What other people? He wasn’t doing anything. And, he couldn’t keep room. There’s a sermon where he actually mentions that, where he says, if you’re just coming here for curiosity, please don’t come, because there’s people who need to hear, you know, who want to be here, who need to hear this. But that divide, divide attitude comes through in a lot of his sermons. And he would come back and he had no problem describing, who those were, who aren’t elect, who don’t have, a true desire to detest their sin and seek Christ. But then he labored hard to convict those who, very well might be, God’s sheep and Christ’s sheep, and to draw them in and to convict them more and to push them to really challenge themselves and question themselves today with what he, was preaching. he was just full of passion, full of bringing these sermons full circle and really, just a pastor that preached Christ in every drop of sermon that he was in, no matter where he was in scripture. And that’s just a testament to, just not only how intellectual he was on things and how. What good his memory was, but just how he was so in tune with scripture and so constantly looking for, the spiritual nature, for the saint’s food, the sheep’s food, in everything, and for, the sinner’s conviction in everything. And so that was, you know, he was definitely, an evangelistic preacher. but like others have said, even amongst all of that, a lot of more modern guys have, you might have seen the quotes of saying, but even above all that, when that was clearly his intent in his preaching, partially just because of the necessity of the environment he was in and how many people he’s getting in front of him who are not just members of his church, but they talked about how even still, if you go through all his sermons, you basically got a quasi-body of divinity. I mean, he still brought in, this day and age we tend to deal with when we get to preachers who are more on the evangelistic end of things, unfortunately, we tend to see the shying away from doctrine. but it’s amazing that Spurgeon was so evangelistic and pleading with sinners and making comments about if I could stay tonight till midnight preaching. And I knew that another one of you would come into God’s family because they would be convicted and come to repentance and faith, I would do it right. And so he would talk about his tears, laboring over the masses that he would see coming in, visiting the church that weren’t his, but that he was just praying that the Lord would, call them. And so, Yeah, it’s just amazing, really, to have somebody so evangelistic week in and week out and then be so doctrinal and be so, well read on things of systematic theology and stuff like that.

Clay Kraby: Yeah. And so, I mean, we highly commend Spurgeon’s, sermons. And you’ve actually undertaken a new edition of the New Park Street Pulpit sermons. And you’ve already mentioned new park street a little bit earlier in the conversation, but to start, what’s going on in the timeline here, where are these happening in Spurgeon’s life and ministry, these New Park Street Pulpit sermons?

Jared Payne: Yeah. So when he came to London and he began preaching, with the body of believers, that was from Keech and Gil and Rippen. Rippen was, I think, just three pastors or so before him. And, that was New Park street. Now, when they tended to, change actual physical churches and move, it was pretty common to not bring the name along with them. So when you go from New Park street to Metropolitan tabernacle, you’re really just getting a name and location difference. Right. so when he first came to London, that was 1853. it was by 1855 that him and Joseph Passmore, who was, a deacon at his church, and his business associate, that they decided to start printing these because penny pulpits were a very popular thing. So, they began doing that to begin the year in 1855. So his first, six years of his ministry were going to be at New Park street. And then they had the metropolitan open up in 1861. but really, if you look at his ministry, before the first year was over, they were preaching at Exeter hall because they didn’t have room in New Park street. So literally months into it, they’re going to Exeter hall, and then they’re having to do, royal Surrey gardens. And they’re having to do a lot of these things until ultimately the, Metropolitan is opened up in 1861. So those are the kind of the first six volumes that make up when people think of his 63 volume sermons. It’s generally called the met tab. Right. Kind of sermon pulpit set. But the first six years are at New Park Street. So they are the ‘New Park Street Pulpit.’

Clay Kraby: Wonderful. So what was it that inspired you to take up this task of creating a new edition of Spurgeon’s sermons? What did you find lacking in what was available out there right now? And what are you hoping to do with this new edition?

Jared Payne: Yeah, so when I was going through and know for a year, I went through and did these pilgrim Digest magazines. And they were kind of just like, ah, a little quasi fractional sword and trowel type, edition that we did for a year. And one day lord will and I’d love to get back to those. That was one of the most fun things was to be able to go through and pull a diverse amount of, whether it be sermons, articles, sections from this puritan’s book, sections from this guy’s stuff and put them in, a little monthly magazine was, just a lot of fun. But that’s when I was going through and really working on some of his sermons and trying to get them transcribed correctly. And then when you do that for a year straight, then, it starts to kind of stick out that, number one, there are some errors in the originals. They were weekly penny pulpits, so they’re getting them out and trying to sell them for a penny. This is not, ah, a triple edited general editor kind of project where they’re going to go through and really nail, everything down. I mean, now largely considering the time period, it was well done, but, ah, sometimes even you had ink not laying down. I’ve had several, of like the original issues, or the original volumes of the pulpit books. I’ve got multiples of some of the same years and can go in and certain sermons, you can find the ink laid down differently on all three or four of them. So you get inconsistencies there that were not necessarily. It’s not that they made an error or left something out, but that just in the printing process, sometimes it didn’t always come through right. But then you did have some errors. You do have to remember that these were written. These are kind of transcribed based on speech. They are not intended to be a polished literary work. When you combine kind of those things and you see some of those errors, and then you go with what there is out on the web, there’s always a lot of Spurgeon material out on the web. But when you go out there and you start comparing that to originals, then we really see the deficits of any digital material that we’ve got out there. some pretty good, not a whole lot others I’ve run into entire sentences missing. I mean, one and two sentences completely, just not even out there in some of these texts, groupings that are out there online. When you go from looking at an original and trying to transcribe that, and then you’re looking at, ah, what is already out there, and then you go, okay, well, this is nice because it’s digital, it’s easier to read. But then you start comparing that with the original and you go, okay, now these are just in some cases way off, not enough to where I would say somebody should not feel confident that they’re going to understand largely what he’s getting at. But coming from somebody who is trying to quote things in magazines is trying to have a full sermon. And when you want something correct, when you read something, even in a sermon, that’s profound and you go, hey, I want to pull that paragraph. Well, if you’re like me, I want to make sure that paragraph is actually right and want to have some kind of confidence that it’s right and that something didn’t get transcribed wrong. And for the most part, a lot of the older works with the text base that we do have out there in a variety of forms. Sometimes there’s multiple different folks who have tried to kind of do their best to copy it and get the material out there. A lot of it was done by OCR text recognition from scanning. And it’s so hard, even the really good equipment does not pick up all that older, smaller, kind of less defined font. And it can really make a m mess out of it. And so it just depends how much time somebody went back and cleaned it up. And again, there’s a reason that these sermons, since they finished in 1917, at least the official kind of set, so to speak, that passport in alabaster printed, there’s a reason they’ve never been re-typeset. It’s just a bulky endeavor, right? It’s 63 volumes, it’s over 3500. And however many I didn’t know that I had the number on my head the other day. but you’re talking almost going on 3600 sermons. even in the original pages, you’re talking eight to ten. A lot of times they were eight, but eight to ten, sometimes they would go twelve if they were longer. What are you talking 35,000 pages worth of? So it’s just a lot of work. It’s something that, you know, is going to be a long-term labor. but in going through it, in having kind of built a Spurgeon collection and going through a lot of the material, it just has wound up being, something that you go, you know what? We need to have a good, solid, fresh text for people to use going forward. I love originals. I’ve got, a set of, like, pilgrim publication reprints. love using them, love looking at them. I always have them here on my desk. So certainly, no qualm there. And I don’t intend to replace, kind of position that they would hold for the enthusiast or the Spurgeon collector. But, I do think it’s 2023. And so I think it’s kind of time to kind of start moving that direction. And it really opens up the door for a lot of opportunities once you digitize text. even for pulling stuff, for indexing, for search capabilities, for any kind of new, printing combinations of pulling certain sermons out just makes everything easier. And I think it will open up kind of, some doors for, new kind of material or, just more particular material to be able to come out and be utilized from people. gives a lot of opportunity for that.

Clay Kraby: Yeah, absolutely. And then for the reader, I mean, it’s going to be a much better experience than the teeny, tiny, kind of smudgy, blurry Victorian font that you might have if you have a copy of one of the volumes of his sermon. So, really looking forward to the project as it comes out. What was the process like for actually re-typesetting this? What sort of challenges did you run into?

Jared Payne: Well, largely kind of working, through kind of base text and just literally line by line, trying to make sure everything’s matching. But the biggest issue, ah, which is just part of the project, and I think may, have something to do with why these things have never been re-typeset, ah, is you do have some decisions to make when you get to some of these, errors, some inconsistencies, especially early on. You’re getting a lot of minority spellings. you’ve got some decisions to make. So a lot of the printings that we do have, in more recent years came from in the US at least, right, with the smaller baker sets, and there’s some other ones that are just not, a huge set, but just kind of have some of the Spurgeon sermons pulled. they are generally scans of the American printings. And the American printings from the Passmore & Alabaster prints were already changed a little bit. They would adjust some of the punctuation, they would Americanize the spelling. They would do some things like that. And so, that’s largely what we have here. And even some of the base text that we have, like out there on the Internet where you can go see full circle. A lot of that comes from the American printings of those. And when they would go through and they would see some of these punctuation uses which were acceptable, which are common and acceptable for there, they would sometimes do some tinkering. And so my goal is, number one, I don’t want to be an editor. That’s really not my desire at all. Other people can take his work and edit it till the cows come home. That’s really not my concern. There’s some things that you kind of have in your mind that are preferences. Well, I think it would be better if it was, but you got to remember, what we’re hoping to offer is something that reflects the most accurate original text base that there is. And so within that, because I can’t hear Spurgeon preach these things, and knowing that they are transcriptions of sermons, I tend to want to default and be careful with making changes because I don’t know where that punctuation or whatnot could have been there because of. That was his inflection of his tone. Right. If I put a period there and I start a new sentence, well, usually your voice follows that. And if there’s just a semicolon and a little more and semicolon and he adds on, you have reason to believe that was portrayed that way because of the way he was saying it. So I don’t want to remove any of those aspects because potentially speaking, you would be able to hear that voice in your head the most accurately by reading the way that they transcribed them and not going through there and trying to make it a literary work. So some of the biggest difficulty has been trying to challenge myself with, okay, could they have meant that there, or is that a clear error? And so my goal has genuinely been to. And I’m not going to be perfect when it’s all said and done. But really to try to say, hey, if I’m just absolutely convinced, if I step outside of my own shoes and I try to read this and go, what if I was at that time and kind of having been exposed to enough of the writing from the Victorian era to kind of know some of the interesting ways that they would phrase things and use punctuation is to say, hey, if I’m just not sure I’m going to leave it alone, if I’m convinced that there’s a clear issue here, then I’ll make those changes. So that’s been difficult. And then just going through. And when you’re dealing with proper nouns and things like that, a lot of minority spellings, spellings that were, regurgitations of the way that the Puritans wrote some of these words and things like that, and saying, hey, if I can nail that down, if I can verify that, then it stays, right? I don’t update it. And so that I think we’ve lost that in a lot of the text that we do have out there where it has been digitized, you’ll see a lot has been updated. And I think it’s actually pretty historically interesting to leave it and see, because that’s an echo from kind of some of the periods in the decades just before them where that was real common and it kind of places it in history. So I really want people to have what the originals, if they went back as best as fallible old me can do, is to offer it and say, hey, if they went back and they offered these in a digital retype setting, I’m just trying to make as best I can the corrections that they would say, hey, when we retypeset this, you don’t carry forward an error, right? You correct an error, but then you leave everything alone. And so that kind of hopefully takes me a little bit more outside of the realm of editing and go, hey, I’m just fixing what’s wrong and then just regurgitating the rest. So I’m really kind of not getting into the editing game. So really kind of walking that fine line has at times been, a, difficulty, for sure. There’s some that really put you in a pickle. And you go, and I’ll be sitting here at 130 in the morning going, I want to say it’s this, but that’s almost a tossup. And so a lot of times I’ll go, well, if I can’t decide, the original stays and let people hash people will be able to figure it out, it won’t cause them problems. But, yeah, if you went through and edited, I could basically tell somebody. If you wanted to go through and provide a whole new edited set, then you’re undoubtedly going to wind up with a lot of portions that you have edited to your discretion that if you went back and asked them, you would have deviated from. It’s just too hard not to. It’s a little difficult.

Clay Kraby: Yeah, well, it’s definitely a big undertaking. When does volume one come out?

Jared Payne: So we’re hoping to. I’ve got founders conference, I think that technically starts on the 18 January, ah, down in, Fort Myers again. so with the founders group out of Cape Coral. Right. And Tom Ascol and all the good folks down there that is going on that weekend. So, I’m hoping to have copies available at the conference and then all the preorders and orders will start shipping out as soon as I’m back. And then it’ll just be, a crazy time of getting all these out. But, yeah, we’re thankful for everybody who has preordered already. And I know that might be one of your questions, but we’re looking forward to how people are going to receive this and use it for sure.

Clay Kraby: And do you have any estimate on what it’s going to take, how long it’s going to take to do these first six volumes of the new park street pulpit? And do you intend to do all of the metropolitan tabernacle pulpit sermon, volumes as well?

Jared Payne: Yeah, absolutely. So I tend to, want to get things done a lot faster than sometimes it’s even feasible. That’s very normal thing for me. So sometimes my estimations are not always as conservative as they ought to be. really our goal, kind of starting out, I really said that I wanted to wind up getting to where we’re kind of at ten to twelve a year, as far as these sermons. Right. So that kind of answers, parts of both those questions. I’ll circle back for these first six. Yeah, as I’m going, because this is all still kind of new and we’re wanting to make sure everything’s coming out and being produced the way that we want to. My kind of goal for these is pending the support that we have for it, obviously, support is a big thing. If we get, enough base support to basically say, hey, we’re good to. Just the cost to get these things done, just disregarding my time and everything, just do we have the cost if we cover those. My goal just on the outset is we’re going to do our best to every 45 days, 45 to 60 kind of tops. We want to be sending the next volume to the printer. now of course I want that efficiency to pick up and some things. But There may be other projects that kind of start tagging along. We’ll have to see. I would like this new park street set to be completely out next year. and we will come out with them just one at a time. So I know some people have kind of Communicated with me that they enjoyed that kind of idea of being able to go out and buy the next volume and be kind of collecting. And it almost feels like a subscription of getting the next one and getting that. That’s just the way that these have to be done because they’re such a big project. But then yes, Lord Willing, which is the main thing, right. If the Lord wills it, we will keep working. if I don’t get hit by a bus or something like that. If I do, I will be happy in the presence of my savior and I will feel sorry that I didn’t help you all finish the Spurgeon set that you started. But you’ll have to forgive me on that. But no, that’s our goal is to keep going through. And I think There’s So many little projects and things that I think are going to tag along that are going to give a lot of good Spurgeon resources. From this In the first volume I think I’ve got just pages of notes and references to Whether it’s topical subject, whether we’re wanting to record names where he’s referencing proper names and certain people. There’s just so much that this kind of goes back to your question about sermons. I think for somebody like me, a lot of people might gloss over it a little bit. But there’s so much interesting in his sermons. And he references doctrines in places that at that sermon title you wouldn’t have expected that to fall in there. And then he’s referencing names, he’s referencing Roland Hill and he’s referencing barrage and he’s referencing Joseph Irons. And he’s referencing these preachers and stuff who have largely been forgotten by a lot of people that he loved. And so you’re just getting so much good material, you’re getting current events. He’s mentioned the Crimean war and he’s talking about little things happening here or there. And it is just such a full picture, that you get. I don’t think if somebody tried that, they could have put all the aspects, theological, doctrinal, historical, just reference material, reference names in sermons when you collectively put them together. He just did such a good job. it really depicts a lot about the time that he was the preaching. but anyway, yeah, that’s one of the reasons that I want to see it through, and I want to try to get these resources, collected on the side. That is one thing that does also kind of slow me down a little bit is I’m often stopping and writing these things down. Or if you do go to the website, which I know we’ll mention in a minute, but, if you go to the library tab on my website, on a pilgrimscoffer.com, if you scroll down, I’ve got quotes by topic all down through there, and these are being added in kind of all the time. and so they are largely. I did have some other quotes, and I probably had some before I transferred from WordPress over to a full site that I never got transferred over. So it looks like it’s all Spurgeon quotes. And for a long time, I mean, it’s probably going to be that. But, yeah, that’s a really good one, because I reference the quotes, the sermon number, and the sermon name where you can find it. And I try not to pull out just little one liners good little sections to, point people. So that’s kind of one of those byproducts that is coming of this. That does slow me down a little bit, but needs to be done while I’m touching it. Don’t touch things twice if you don’t really have to. And so trying to go through it like that. But, yeah, lord willing, I think there’ll be a lot of really good things that will come just of the sermons, the retyping of the sermons and getting them in digital format is just the foundational kind of labor that’s got to be done. And then I think other things after that start to, kind of become a little bit of, just kind of a little cherry on top, I think, that people will appreciate as we go.

Clay Kraby: Yeah, absolutely, will. I’m looking forward to it. I think, it’s a needed project. It’s great that you’re taking that under and putting the labor into re-typesetting these sermons, these volumes. People can use them. obviously, there’s a historical interest, there’s biographical interest, but, more so, it’s going to deepen their knowledge of scripture. It’s going to deepen their affection for Christ. So just devotionally, there’s going to be a lot of value to these. Where can someone go to pick up volume one of the New Park Street Pulpit sermons?

Jared Payne: Yeah, so if you go to a pilgrimscoffer.com, just, up there on the main page, on the very front, you’ll see a banner about it. and you’ll see the information with a button to click. It’s also got Spurgeon Sermons up in the menu. the full, address, I think, is apilgrimscoffer.com/spurgeonsermons. But, yeah, just go to pilgrimscoffer.com. You can find it right there. That’s where they can be preordered. the pricing that we have on there now is not. I can’t remember when some people had asked, when that preorder was going to go out, and I can’t remember what we said if it might wind up being around the 15 December or so. this preorder pricing is not going to last for long, and this is going to be, as cheap as we’ll ever sell those. but these are printed, Smithson printed bound here in the United States by the printers that banner of truth uses. So we have a lot of banner of know books around. They tend to be a very high mark for quality that people tend to like. So we’re using the same printer just to give somebody an idea. and these will be foil stamped and blind stamped on all sides to look more in the vein of the originals. So we want to kind of bring that feel back. no dust jackets. I know you can get into some real. It’s almost as bad as the watery wars of old. When you get into the dust jacket wars with these people, throw them away immediately, and these people keep them. But most of these won’t come with dust. They’ll be the cloth. And we’ll have the adornment kind of, on the cloth like the originals. but yeah, ah, it’s an exciting thing. we really think when people see the finished product that they’re going to be excited about it. But for people who think that they are, we just wanted to kind of give a little bit on so they can trust the quality to say, hey, it helps us if you go ahead and you do preorder, that gives us an idea of how many need to be purchased, because I will tell people this, if this does seem something like they want and a good set to have in their home, in their office, at church, something for use, because these are going to be, I think, much easier to read and much clearer and cleaner. And, they also don’t have to feel maybe as bad if they want to highlight and write. they don’t have to feel as bad, and they’ve got maybe a little bit more clean room to kind of do that in. But I don’t know when will you know if this first volume sells out at some point? I don’t know when we’ll get back to reprinting volume one. So our goal is to move forward with these and really help people fill out their set. Either complete a new set or finish a set. If they’ve got old pilgrim publications or they’ve got originals, but they don’t have the whole set. So, yeah, we try to kind of encourage people, don’t miss out on the first couple, because it might be a little while before we come back to those, if you wanted to finish the set.

Clay Kraby: wonderful. Well, I’ve got mine pre-ordered.d Encourage others to do the same. We’ve been talking to Jared Payne of A Pilgrim’s Coffer about his endeavor to create a new typeset edition of the New Park Street Pulpit sermons. I encourage you to check those out. I’ll link to all that in the show notes for this episode. Jared, thanks so much for joining me again on the podcast.

Jared Payne: I appreciate it. Thank you so much, Clay.